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Say goodbye nicely to peace

Against a dramatic black background, the cover of last week’s Time Out Tel Aviv shows a white dove marked as though viewed through a sniper’s rifle. The caption has two meanings. It could be “say goodbye nicely,” which is how one instructs a small child to bid farewell. Or it could be “say peace is lovely.”  Combine the two, and you get “say goodbye nicely to peace”; or, in more sophisticated English, “bid peace a fond farewell.” The sub heading is, “Tel Aviv between Gaza and Sderot.”

According to the polls, 90 percent of Israelis support the Gaza campaign. I find that number quite worrying: public debate and a diversity of opinion are, as Ohad notes in this post, essential characteristics of a healthy democracy; and anyone who has expressed even the mildest anti-war sentiment can testify to the intimidating responses that have, I noticed, cowed many people into silence.

The intimidation ranges from verbal violence (“traitor!” “fifth columnist”) to the threat of being fired from one’s job – as in the case of Channel 2 anchor Yonit Levi. One friend even received death threats – via Facebook, if you can believe it. Assuming, though, that all the people polled about the war know that the Israeli media’s reporting has been controlled by the army spokesman’s iron fist; and assuming that everyone polled is both well-informed about what is really going on in Gaza and unafraid to voice an opinion that deviates from what we are constantly told is the mainstream, that still leaves one person out of 10 opposing the war. In this edition, Time Out Tel Aviv gives them a voice. Below are some translated excerpts.

In a weekly column titled “Reality,” (p.10) Amir Ben-David parodies the wildly popular Big Brother reality TV show that ended last month. (I blogged about his friendship with the editor of of Time Out Beirut during the Second Lebanon War). The hosts of the show were Erez Tal and Assi Ezer. Excerpt:

Erez Tal: And once again we join you, with a show that will have you on the edges of your seat. It’s called “the big boom.” Yes – tonight we have eliminations (from the show). Tension is high. Nerves are frayed. Everyone is biting his nails, especially the handsome young man standing here next to me. Good evening, Assi Ezer.

Assi Ezer: Good evening, Erez. Or, as I prefer to call you, Erez Crossing

Erez: Ha, ha. Very funny.

Assi: I couldn’t resist. Yes, as you said, tonight is a big night. Everyone is sending SMS’s like crazy, but only one candidate will be eliminated at the end of this evening. Only you, the viewers, will decide who that will be. The lines are open and the decision is all yours.

Erez: Remind us, Assi, who are the candidates for elimination tonight?

Assi: With pleasure. Can you smell the smoke? Three are turning on the rotisserie tonight – Jabalyah, Dir El Balah and Nusseirat Refugee Camp. Our brave air force pilots are already sitting in their fighter planes. The tension in the offices of the higher command is at its peak, and only our viewers, who are SMSing now, are the ones that will decide who the pilots eliminate from the face of the earth by the end of this evening.

Erez: Just like that? They’ll eliminate them? Erase them completely?

Assi: Completely! We won’t leave a single stone untouched.

Erez: Children? Women? Old people?

Assi: All of them!

****

On page 28, editor Itai Waldman‘s column is about the despair engendered by the increasing frequency of wars in this region, and the sense that a normal life is ever more elusive. Excerpt:

“You sit on the sofa watching TV and you see the parade of politicians, ministers and generals, and all sorts of people that they find in the attic whenever there’s a war, because they wore a rank on their epaulets so they must know something about something, and everyone analyzes the event, and then we go to our correspondent in Sderot who interviews people where a rocket just fell that very second, and you listen to it all, and you simply refuse to believe that it’s happening again. Because the most frustrating thing about wars is that they never ask you. You’re living your life, in the center of Tel Aviv as it happens, trying to be a good citizen and just go with the flow from age 0 to 80, and to have a nice life, without hurting anyone and without being hurt by anyone else, and every few years, one fine morning, they drop a war on you. And you feel like shouting, ‘Hello?! Could we do this some other day? Because it really doesn’t work for me today; I had other plans. Like living, for example.’

But you can shout until tomorrow, because no-one is listening, and no-one really cares. Not in the places where they make decisions, at least. And you think it could be otherwise, and it could even be that you have some good advice up your sleeve, but with the cacophony of words coming at you from every direction you’re pretty sure that no-one will listen to you, and besides, how much does it really matter?

And then the IDF goes into Gaza, and by the end of the day the generals summarize the first day of the ground operation and say that it was a fantastic day and that we achieved all our goals (‘what goals?’ you wonder naively to yourself), and sometime during the news broadcast, quietly and without moving his lips too much, the anchor announces that one of our soldiers was killed. And the subtext is that one dead in nine days is really nothing and we can be happy and go to sleep with smiles on our faces because the operation is succeeding and everything is fine, but it’s 1 a.m. and you’re very cold and you can’t fall asleep so that probably means that nothing is fine.

And all you can think about is that poor boy who last week was hanging out with his friends at the mall, and after that he went to see a movie with his girlfriend, and then they went back to his place, and they made love the way you do when you’re 18, quietly, because you still live at home and your parents are sleeping in the next room. And in the morning they get up together, and he goes to the army and they make plans to meet when he gets his next furlough, in another two weeks, and until then they will speak on the phone, ‘I’ll SMS you when I’m back at the base, so you’ll know I’m okay.’ And then the war starts, and they tell him he is going into Gaza, and she is worried, and he tries to calm her down, and she won’t be calmed, and he has to hang up, and she’s alive, and he’s dead.”

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“And now you’re frustrated. And your frustration is so big that you can uproot mountains and make buildings collapse. Frustrated, you watch the news hosted by Raviv Druker and Ofer Shelach, whom you usually like a lot, as they talk with some general from the reserves, and they start with that fascist mumbo jumbo, and Shelach says that the best way to fight in a heavily built-up area is to blow up the whole neighbourhood first and then to fight in an open area, and they laugh, they really, really laugh, and you think ‘How can you laugh? How are you able to laugh?’, and you feel as though you’ll never want to laugh again.

Wars have a certain cumulative quality. When you’re a kid and they bomb you, and your dad takes you in his arms and runs to the shelter, the whole situation is infused with a sort of weird childhood magic. And when you’re in the army and you enter a battle with your unit, you’re so brainwashed that it doesn’t really touch you. And you can even survive your first war as an adult civilian. But one day the moment comes when you just collapse.

And that’s what you feel is happening right now. That you don’t understand what they want from you. That you don’t understand why now. That everything looks so capricious, illogical, unfair. And you’re sad for everyone – the people of Gaza, the people of southern Israel, who didn’t do anything bad to anyone either, but mostly for yourself. You’re sad for yourself because you don’t want to to spend the rest of your life like this – from bombing to bombing, from injustice to injustice, from death to death. You’re sad for yourself because life has taught you that you only have yourself. And the only people you thought maybe you’re not sad about are the politicians, but then you give that a bit more thought, and you’re sad for them too. They’re so contemptible, so impotent, that it would be disgusting on your part not to feel grief for them.

War is something huge. Enormous. And you can look at it from so many different angles. You can talk about the causal factors, and you can talk about the disengagement from Gaza; you can try to understand if this is calculated as an election strategy, and you can talk about the crisis within the political left; you can talk about the wartime induction of the media, and you can talk about pathetic celebrities, that go to perform in the bomb shelters in a cynical attempt to revive their careers. But talking about all that will just make the war continue. And that is why the only subject worthy of discussion in wartime is the people who are dying. The newspapers should be filled with lines upon lines with the names of the dead, and who they were, and what they did, and what they wanted to do tomorrow morning but will never do. People who planned to live here with us, today, and to breathe the air that I breathe now when I write this text, and the air that you breathe when you read this text, and the only thing that touches their cold nostrils right now, is ash.”

*****

On page 30, Elinor Davidov writes about  a 40-episode television documentary called Gaza-Sderot, Life in Spite of Everything. Each episode features an interview with an ordinary person on either side of the border, describing daily life. The result is a fascinating combination of drama and banality that makes the series well worth watching. It was co-produced by a staff from Sderot’s Sapir College, Gaza’s Ramattan Studios and the German-French arte.tv (photos and bio blurbs are here). On page 31, there is a sidebar: it reproduces a sad and desperate IM chat that took place between one of the Israeli producers and a Gazan producer shortly after the windows on the latter’s house were blown out by a bomb that fell on the house next door.

Hadash MK Dov Khenin wrote a long opinion piece that starts on page 35. I’m running out of time for translating, so I’ll just do the introduction:

“And of course it would never occur to anyone to think that this military operation has actually made life worse for the residents of the western Negev. After all, it’s ‘our right and even our obligation’ to protection civilians. Everything is buried under the rhetoric that deals with the most immediate response – they’re shooting at you, thus you are permitted to shoot back, and you are even permitted to go a little crazy and shoot at everything that is in your way. Is it wise to shoot? Are there other ways to stop them from shooting at you? Not now. We’re shooting now.”

Page 37 has a sidebar that describes the Israeli media’s total silence about the anti-war march I blogged about last week. According to the item, 15,000 people participated in that demonstration. Each of the major media outlets offers an official explanation as to why they ignored the story.

A series of snapshots – mini-interviews, slices of life – from southern Israel are spread out over pages 38-41.

And there you have it – voices from amongst the 10 percent.

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18 Comments so far (Add 1 more)

  1. Hey Lisa

    I haven’t finished reading this post yet, but have just managed to drag myself through the excerpt from Itai Waldman. I say ‘drag’ not because it was dull, but because it manages to reflect only too clearly what I feel, sitting here cosily in London. I am not affected by the bombings, the rocket attacks, the death, the maiming and the psychological suffering that the residents in Gaza and Israel are experiencing, so my sadness is as nothing to that. But I feel bombarded and desperately unhappy at the rhetoric from all sides, at the angles, the interpretations and the lies that we are all getting, from all sides.

    I don’t know if you’ve seen this – it might be of interest. An interview with Silvan Shalom on More 4 news in the UK… one up to the interviewer, I think.

    http://link.brightcove.com/services/link/bcpid1554364155/bclid1551132385/bctid7028690001

    Please keep blogging…

    1. Rachel
    on January 15th, 2009 at 12:14 pm
  2. Lisa,

    I still think you posit a false distinction – as you have from the beginning of the war which has bothered me – between feeling awful and devastated and terrible over what is happening to the civilian population — and supporting the operation because you don’t see a viable alternative – you just don’t buy that negotiating has/is/will get us anywhere. One is your heart and one is your head.

    Like many of us felt bad for the Gaza settler kids who lived there all their life and were dragged out of their homes crying and resisting – but we still believed it had to be done for the long-term good. (No, I’m not equating evacuation with being bombed, I’m just using it as an analogy)

    You make it sound like the 90 percent is heartless and jingoistic and only the 10 percent is caring and humane and feels the pain of Gaza. That’s just not the case.

    At the same time, I absolutely disagree with anyone being cowed into silence. I think all voices are necessary. And I don’t know that doubting voices are necessarily being silenced in the mainstream. “Eretz Nehederet” was pretty sharp, I thought.

    Hey Allison – No, you’re misinterpreting me or I’m not explaining myself clearly. My point is not that supporters of the war are heartless. My point is that they are badly informed. They have been convinced – by a compliant press and a mendacious government – that this was a war of no choice, when in fact there were choices. I also believe that there are very pragmatic, realpolitik reasons to be against the campaign – reasons I outlined in my post for the Z-blog. I do believe (or, perhaps, hope) that if the Israeli media showed even 25 percent of the story that Europeans and Arabic speakers are seeing about what Gazan civilians are experiencing, instead of constantly playing that down, they would be less supportive of a campaign that has resulted in so much human misery. Lisa

    2. Lisa
    on January 15th, 2009 at 12:44 pm
  3. A few comments – I disagree with you assessment that if “Less than 10 percent see the operation as a ‘failure,’” that means that 90% support it – I’ve seen a few polls to the contrary – you can can oppose the operation, yet still not consider it a failure.

    2 – I agree about the question of goals – one of the biggest mistakes that the gov’t has made is the lack of a clear strategy. I do support this operation, and not because I have been misinformed, but this confusion, which thankfully has not trickled down into the lower ranked uniforms, is a very bad thing.

    3 – I respect your opposition, but you’ve written a lot in the past couple of days without outlining a real alternative and explaining how it would truly be different from what has happened in the past.

    3. LB
    on January 15th, 2009 at 5:01 pm
  4. There must be far more people who do have their objections, the problem is people do not dare to leave the herd.

    By the way, does your mother know you spray the line Time For Peace all over Tel Aviv.

    4. Mongrel
    on January 15th, 2009 at 5:16 pm
  5. Lisa,
    I have just read your Z-blog post and would join your bet. But supposed Israel would open the border crossings: What do you think would happen in Israel? Do you think the Gazans would stop the attacks?
    J.

    5. J.
    on January 15th, 2009 at 7:27 pm
  6. Dear Lisa,
    Military Solution Is No Solution.

    *Total number of Deaths*
    Children 310
    Women 110
    Medical Personnel 13
    *Total number of injuries*
    Children 1740
    Women 720
    Medical Personnel 24
    source: PRCS

    15.1.09: B’Tselem: Stop the fighting immediately
    http://www.btselem.org/english/Gaza_Strip/20090115_Cease_fire_now.asp

    Both sides:
    CEASEFIRE NOW!
    Stop killing innocent victims!

    6. Marcos
    on January 15th, 2009 at 8:36 pm
  7. Hey Lisa: You may have covered this elsewhere. If so, point me toward it. If not, here’s my question. If I take what you’re saying as gospel (so to speak), that still leaves the question that seems to be vexing a lot of respondents: How can you stop the missiles? I know you don’t claim to be a Think Tank Queen, but you’re good at rounding up and analyzing others’ writing. I’d like to encourage you to do that – figure out what methods might stop the missiles. If the war isn’t doing it – which certainly seems the case – at least as it’s currently being fought, what needs to change? What approach will stop it? What strategy will keep Israelis from getting killed. And I mean in the short- and medium-term, by the way. Of course Peace in the long-term will do it, but people are ducking the missiles now.

    7. Curt
    on January 15th, 2009 at 11:34 pm
  8. I enjoyed reading this entry, but despite all the interesting articles and the brilliant people you’re translating, my mind kept going back to one thing: 90%. The pro-war, anti-peace group in Israel represents 90% of the population.
    There’s no coming back from a proportion like that.
    The average Israeli is more Avigdor Liberman than Yitzhak Rabin.

    Peace? Negotiations? Never going to happen. I’ve been trying to come to terms with that over the past two weeks, with the war bringing to light sides I hadn’t seen.

    Because, apparently, no one in Israel wants to seek peace, and those who do want to, the majority disregards. Sad, yeah, but an inevitable conclusion.

    Sorry to be so grim.

    8. Mo-ha-med
    on January 15th, 2009 at 11:56 pm
  9. Marcos: I doubt the veracity of those statistics. The Palestinians (and Hizbullah) are known to provide incorrect casualty figures.

    As for the demand to an immediate cease-fire – do you not realize that is a recipe for even more deaths of innocents at a future war of a larger scale? Allowing Hamas to re-arm guarantees it. On a larger time-scale, allowing Hamas and Fatah to continue the indoctrination towards hatred and violence via the media and school curriculum also guarantees never-ending war.
    Harsh measures now can prevent the need for much worse in the future.

    Lisa: Any reason why my previous post was deleted?
    (am I too optimistic in speculating this one might be posted?)

    9. Daniel
    on January 16th, 2009 at 12:14 am
  10. Mohamed, I’d not classify this survey as 90% anti-peace pro-war. I think the peace camp is still generally strong in Israel. However, we don’t want a peace where Hamas/Hizbullah rockets come over the border yet we’re just supposed to turn the other cheek.

    Additionally, the war is happening now. Lots of people have been called up, lots of people are currently doing their military service. It’s a little hard to press the “No, I disagree with this war” button when you’re waiting for the SMSes from the people you know who are on emergency draft orders in the South. It’s hard to disagree with the war when you get phone calls from your grandma in Ashkelon about the rocket that fell down the road earlier in the morning.

    The real question will be who gets elected in February and what people are thinking in March.

    10. Elianah
    on January 16th, 2009 at 3:20 am
  11. Beautifully crafted post and chock-full of links to follow and ponder. Grateful, too, for the peaceful dissension in the comments, which helps widen my narrow views. War is hell. Most victims (some perpetrators, perhaps?) are innocents. Therefore, unoriginal QUESTION: How do we stop/minimize the hell and destruction? How do we identify the human agents, and deploy them, and heed them?

    Minor example: Millions of us in the USA are eagerly anticipating (for decades and counting) THE Inauguration Tuesday. We have viewing parties, post-ceremonies celebrations, creative in-out trips to Washington nationwide. (Tell me your Zip code, and I’ll send you a link to festivities, prayer services within 5 miles of your home!) Among those millions, many are revolted by the choice of who gives the Invocation. They feel betrayed, distanced, worse from the President elect. REPEAT QUESTION: “How do we identify the human agents, and deploy them, and heed them?”

    We want what we want, and delivered as we want. If we can’t live a piece of the dream, how do we get to peace? Even a modus vivendi? One commenter on your post said you are not the Think Tank Queen (though perhaps you should apply;-) so I ask your clever, sensitive, concerned readers, too, for responses.

    Sorry for the long comment. Edit if you want. Blessings and love to you, dearest Lisa. Your gifts and gifts balance much of the horror.

    11. Tamar
    on January 16th, 2009 at 4:46 pm
  12. I have a hard time believing the 90% poll, did they poll the Arab Israelis too?

    12. Halla
    on January 17th, 2009 at 4:05 am
  13. I’ve waited a while before commenting this, but I might as well do it now.

    Lisa: We had a lot of talks over the time so you already know more or less what’s my approach to things. I do desire peace. I was in favor of the Oslo accords, I was in favor of the disengagement – I am in favor of trying to get a system of living side by side. I am NOT, however, forgiving when I feel deceived. And I keep feeling like that with the Palestinians. Every time there is another group, another organization that still wants to spill more blood.

    I talk with my left wing friends, I read all these posts (like yours) that mainly feel like THEY are misinformed. No matter how long Israel waits before it finally acts with force, no matter who we talk to – there are always people who keep saying ‘ho, you didn’t try hard enough!’ (yes, Klinger, I means you…)

    You keep forgetting that during all this time there is a game of Russian roulette played on my life and my parents life and the rest of the people here. The longer we wait ‘to try more things’ the better the chances of me or my friends and family being hit. So you might feel it’s safe to think and rethink more and more ways to avoid a fight.

    Not with life you can’t.
    It’s been clear to everyone that Hamas isn’t really interested in peace. You claim so yourself, Lisa, yet you stop at the obvious conclusion. If a brutal, radical, terror organization doesn’t want peace with us, why should we agree to ‘truce’ that will let him rearm for a later fight?

    This IS a no-choice war, Lisa, it’s just been waiting for so long. You can say Hamas is pragmatic all you want, but they are pragmatic about THEIR goal, which is the destruction if Israel.

    War is ugly. War is hell. War in populated areas ALWAYS hurt civilians. Do I need to remind you numbers like the 1500 civilian casualties by the hands of NATO in Kosovo? War is never clean. That’s why it needs to be avoided by both sides if possible.

    When there is a need to fight, you need to fight immediately. I’m sure we could have avoided the scale of the current operation if the first rockets had a serious – yet limited – response.

    Mohamed:
    90% are in favor of attacking Hamas. If you’d ask how many in favor of hurting innocent civilians you’d get a really low number. you could witness this as more personal stories will be out of Gaza and you’ll hear how many people here feel sorry for them and not angry at them.

    Marcos:
    I think the real numbers are much lower. All these numbers that the UN/BBC/others provide comes mostly from one source which is the Hamas ministry of health. In Jenin Palestinians claimed 500 dead at first – yet the final number was 50-60 and not all civilians. According to IDF about 70%-75% of the dead in Gaza are Hamas members. We’ll have to wait and see.

    hopefully this coming cease fire will last and the building could start soon. Let this whole mess be over already.

    13. civax
    on January 17th, 2009 at 6:04 am
  14. gosshhh you write beautifully BUT by buddha! you are soooooooo damn wrong, sorry babe, would you prefer to sit in your unsheltered apt on Shenkin waiting for “red color” ? WE HAD TO DO IT. WAR LEAVES CASUALTIES ALWAYS. Nobody in his righr mind wants war and TV talk cannot satistify the Hamas nor bring peace. I know I sound bublish but I do have lots of respect for our soldiers fighting this war so that we can sit in the commodity of out TA pat’s to be able to write our little righteous thoughts.
    But I do love you a lot, you know that.

    14. gabriel allon
    on January 17th, 2009 at 12:06 pm
  15. Hey Lisa,

    I disagree that showing Israelis more of the human misery in Gaza would change their ‘pragmatic realpolitik’ views. It would make them upset and more emotional but I don’t think it would change their minds.

    Mohamed, you talk about the ‘pro-war, anti-peace group.’

    ‘Group?’ Like Civax, I supported Oslo, I supported disengagement, I would support withdrawal from the West Bank in exchange for real, long-term permanent peace, though I now view that as a purely hypothetical situation. But like him I believed the time had come to act against the rockets. Does that make us part of the “pro-peace” or “anti-peace?” group. I think most Israelis are part of the “let’s stay alive” group.

    The average Israeli is absolutely Yitzhak Rabin – and the latest version of Ariel Sharon who made disengagement happen. If we were all Lieberman, that would never have happened.

    The centrist Israeli view was perfectly clear – let’s get rid of the Gaza settlements, let’s pull the army out, let’s stop being occupiers and let’s give it a shot – live side by side in peace. If not holding hands and singing ‘kumbaya’ then at least leaving each other the hell alone. Let’s have a real border and if there is aggression across them, we’ll have a word for it: war. And then Hamas was elected and that’s exactly what happened.

    Hopefully, today’s events will help demonstrate which side really wants war and bloodshed at any price.

    16. Allison
    on January 18th, 2009 at 1:31 pm
  16. Elianah – the peace camp you mention seems to be systematically silenced. Journalists and news anchors are being nearly intimidated for deviating from the editorial line. Pro-peace demos are barely covered, their numbers underestimated. They are, for intents and purposes, inexistent.
    And in the absence of independent news, it’s what Ehud Barak tells you that becomes the truth: the IDF Youtube channel is the #1 most viewed and most subscribed in Israel.

    civax “Russian roulette”. “Not with life you can’t” . How dramatic.
    As for ‘getting a low number for how many are in favour of hurting civilians’ – AND? Does that ensure your moral superiority, by any chance? I can assure you, it doesn’t. Formulated this way, only a terrorist would vote yes. The real onus becomes on people like yourself, who would not mind justifying the mass-murder in Gaza as being unavoidable: and “war is never clean”, you said.
    Oh, but we knew that already, did we not. Your wars are particularly devoid of cleanliness. White phosphorus against civilian populations in Gaza. Cluster bombs in Lebanon 06. Dirty war at its best.

    The real question is whether a war is necessary, or justified. And here, it was ‘no’ on both counts.
    As for the “need to do something” which seems to permeate the Israeli rhetoric regarding this war – this is possibly the most ridiculous argument to be made. That’s it? “something has to be done”? Aren’t there “other things” that could be done as well? Naaah. Crush the effing Palestinians once and for all seemed like the way to go – an argument which has now been recycled into “we can’t stop at a half-victory and go into a cease-fire” by those who haven’t gotten their dose of adrenaline yet.

    As for you doubting the numbers of the dead – that’s a cheap, cheap way of out an argument. If you really don’t believe every news outlet in Gaza, nor the UN (whose compound your country bombed! Bravo! On par with Iraqi terrorists in 2003!) you might want to encourage the entry of media into the strip rather than, again, drink at the fountain of the IDF.

    Allison – Sharon was no Rabin and we both know it. Disengagement – more like redeployment, really: settlers were mainly moved into OTHER settlements in the West Bank! – wasn’t seeking peace but a host of other goals that were widely discussed at the time. Gaza was never ‘liberated’. And please don’t tell me that the few months between 2005-2006 was the chance for the Palestinians to “make of Gaza another Singapore”.

    The average Israeli voted for war, votes for the continuation of war, and will vote for a right wing gov in February that will put any plans for negotiations on the backburner indefinitely.
    Fifteen years ago, there was support for peace. The average Israeli was Rabin indeed.
    Clearly no longer.
    No, I’m afraid the average Israeli is Liberman. Feiglin at best.

    My apologies for the lengthy response!

    17. Mo-ha-med
    on January 19th, 2009 at 2:05 am
  17. May I bring your attention to this blog:

    http://mikemarcus.blogspot.com/

    He’s an israeli who started an “artistic intifada”

    19. rami
    on January 19th, 2009 at 9:58 am
  18. Lisa, mabrook the new blog site. I’ll check it out and come back to you ;)

    20. Ali
    on January 20th, 2009 at 5:53 pm

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