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	<title>Comments on: Samir Kuntar in his own words</title>
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		<title>By: Before You Blame Israel &#171; Marc Alan Di Martino</title>
		<link>http://lisagoldman.net/2008/07/22/samir-kuntar-in-his-own-words/comment-page-1/#comment-9514</link>
		<dc:creator>Before You Blame Israel &#171; Marc Alan Di Martino</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Apr 2009 06:25:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] back to his village. At least two known terrorist groups jumped up to claim responsibility for this Samir Kuntar-like atrocity, and there can be little doubt that the assassin is being widely celebrated across a [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Gila</title>
		<link>http://lisagoldman.net/2008/07/22/samir-kuntar-in-his-own-words/comment-page-1/#comment-3175</link>
		<dc:creator>Gila</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Aug 2008 05:24:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the translation.</description>
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		<title>By: higni</title>
		<link>http://lisagoldman.net/2008/07/22/samir-kuntar-in-his-own-words/comment-page-1/#comment-3180</link>
		<dc:creator>higni</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jul 2008 04:26:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mohamed said:
&lt;i&gt;Don’t get me wrong, but it seems to me that the outrage regarding the hero’s welcome the man received in Lebanon is a little overdone.&lt;/i&gt;

Does it seem to you? In my book, it is a shame that there was no outrage in Lebanon.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mohamed said:<br />
<i>Don’t get me wrong, but it seems to me that the outrage regarding the hero’s welcome the man received in Lebanon is a little overdone.</i></p>
<p>Does it seem to you? In my book, it is a shame that there was no outrage in Lebanon.</p>
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		<title>By: higni</title>
		<link>http://lisagoldman.net/2008/07/22/samir-kuntar-in-his-own-words/comment-page-1/#comment-3184</link>
		<dc:creator>higni</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jul 2008 04:25:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lisa,
That post is just great: factual and informative. Kudos to you and Linda.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lisa,<br />
That post is just great: factual and informative. Kudos to you and Linda.</p>
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		<title>By: Mo-ha-med</title>
		<link>http://lisagoldman.net/2008/07/22/samir-kuntar-in-his-own-words/comment-page-1/#comment-3183</link>
		<dc:creator>Mo-ha-med</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Jul 2008 10:29:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You don&#039;t like my choice of adjectives? That&#039;s it?
Either way - you obviously are one of those people who define truth as being &#039;anything coming out of their mouth&#039;...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You don&#8217;t like my choice of adjectives? That&#8217;s it?<br />
Either way &#8211; you obviously are one of those people who define truth as being &#8216;anything coming out of their mouth&#8217;&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: HolyLand</title>
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		<dc:creator>HolyLand</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jul 2008 16:04:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just look at the man&#039;s eyes and tell me it doesn&#039;t resemble those of a maniac.</description>
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		<title>By: Daniel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Daniel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jul 2008 15:05:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Linda:  I read Lisa&#039;s post here, which omitted the relevant last paragraph, and posted my comment -  which I believe  is a reasonable course of action generally, but in this case did result in a misunderstanding of what you meant.   Later I read the rest and I do retract my comment as far as it relates to your text.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Linda:  I read Lisa&#8217;s post here, which omitted the relevant last paragraph, and posted my comment &#8211;  which I believe  is a reasonable course of action generally, but in this case did result in a misunderstanding of what you meant.   Later I read the rest and I do retract my comment as far as it relates to your text.</p>
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		<title>By: Linda Grant</title>
		<link>http://lisagoldman.net/2008/07/22/samir-kuntar-in-his-own-words/comment-page-1/#comment-3177</link>
		<dc:creator>Linda Grant</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jul 2008 12:26:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So you didn&#039;t bother reading my whole piece, just an extract from it?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So you didn&#8217;t bother reading my whole piece, just an extract from it?</p>
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		<title>By: Daniel</title>
		<link>http://lisagoldman.net/2008/07/22/samir-kuntar-in-his-own-words/comment-page-1/#comment-3185</link>
		<dc:creator>Daniel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jul 2008 06:03:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;demonization&quot;... &quot;despicable&quot;... &quot;ugliest&quot;... &quot;feeble-minded&quot;

Hysteria and inflationary language isn&#039;t as impressive as you might think.

The articles mention in particular these two studies, though I made sure that each reference also adds further content (including references to other studies).   Your criticism and description of the content is unfounded.  I was too cautious in my original objection, though -  the myth isn&#039;t  merely incorrect, it&#039;s upside-down.  There is a link between poverty, education, social status and terrorism:  the opposite of what most people suppose.

All this is just to say that presenting Kuntar as being unusual, not fitting the profile, is wrong (the political implications of that - seems irrelevant in this context).  Actually, I went to Norm&#039;s blog with Linda&#039;s article and I see that that paragraph is followed by another which explicitly addresses the issue, so I guess my post was in error in that sense.

And Lisa: I suppose hearing the effort you put into translating the article is &#039;pointless&#039; can be aggravating - should&#039;ve been more careful with the phrasing.
I still don&#039;t see what we can learn from the interview, though (and generally, from interviewees who&#039;re obfuscating the truth and misrepresenting their own views).
The Guardian did not have the important addendum, so the readers are left with a distorted view.

&lt;strong&gt;Daniel: Re. my translation for the Guardian - I work for money, not praise. It&#039;s nice to receive both, of course, but the latter is not essential. I am not at all bothered by criticism from anonymous sources who have demonstrated their inability or unwillingness to understand the article&#039;s content and / or purpose.&lt;/strong&gt;. Lisa</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;demonization&#8221;&#8230; &#8220;despicable&#8221;&#8230; &#8220;ugliest&#8221;&#8230; &#8220;feeble-minded&#8221;</p>
<p>Hysteria and inflationary language isn&#8217;t as impressive as you might think.</p>
<p>The articles mention in particular these two studies, though I made sure that each reference also adds further content (including references to other studies).   Your criticism and description of the content is unfounded.  I was too cautious in my original objection, though &#8211;  the myth isn&#8217;t  merely incorrect, it&#8217;s upside-down.  There is a link between poverty, education, social status and terrorism:  the opposite of what most people suppose.</p>
<p>All this is just to say that presenting Kuntar as being unusual, not fitting the profile, is wrong (the political implications of that &#8211; seems irrelevant in this context).  Actually, I went to Norm&#8217;s blog with Linda&#8217;s article and I see that that paragraph is followed by another which explicitly addresses the issue, so I guess my post was in error in that sense.</p>
<p>And Lisa: I suppose hearing the effort you put into translating the article is &#8216;pointless&#8217; can be aggravating &#8211; should&#8217;ve been more careful with the phrasing.<br />
I still don&#8217;t see what we can learn from the interview, though (and generally, from interviewees who&#8217;re obfuscating the truth and misrepresenting their own views).<br />
The Guardian did not have the important addendum, so the readers are left with a distorted view.</p>
<p><strong>Daniel: Re. my translation for the Guardian &#8211; I work for money, not praise. It&#8217;s nice to receive both, of course, but the latter is not essential. I am not at all bothered by criticism from anonymous sources who have demonstrated their inability or unwillingness to understand the article&#8217;s content and / or purpose.</strong>. Lisa</p>
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		<title>By: Mo-ha-med</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mo-ha-med</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Jul 2008 11:00:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Daniel -- you seem to set at making a point -- which has never been under challenge in the first place, but you were keen -- THREE times!! -- to hammer it in, ultimately providing links to references that no one asked you to.

Your insistence is clearly that of someone whose agenda is to scream &lt;i&gt;wolf&lt;/i&gt; at any middle-class educated Arab. Demonisation at its best. That is simply despicable.

You are right: the issue does indeed have obvious political implications. Which you are attempting to exploit in the ugliest of ways.

In any event, everyone knows that besides poverty, multiple reasons make a terrorist - ethnic, religious, tribal conflicts are at least as important.
The articles you cite themselves oft referenced studies which, if you bother to look at (e.g. Abadie (2004) or Krueger and Laitin (2003), are clearly more subtle than you seem to believe things are. And while a direct correlation between the participation in violent acts/terrorism may be weaker than we first thought it was, only the feeble-minded will discard the link as a &#039;myth&#039;. Indirect links, through education, political freedom and host of other variables factor in.

That poverty is associated with terrorism is undeniable. It&#039;s just a tad more complicated than you first thought - and way more important that you wish to deny.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Daniel &#8212; you seem to set at making a point &#8212; which has never been under challenge in the first place, but you were keen &#8212; THREE times!! &#8212; to hammer it in, ultimately providing links to references that no one asked you to.</p>
<p>Your insistence is clearly that of someone whose agenda is to scream <i>wolf</i> at any middle-class educated Arab. Demonisation at its best. That is simply despicable.</p>
<p>You are right: the issue does indeed have obvious political implications. Which you are attempting to exploit in the ugliest of ways.</p>
<p>In any event, everyone knows that besides poverty, multiple reasons make a terrorist &#8211; ethnic, religious, tribal conflicts are at least as important.<br />
The articles you cite themselves oft referenced studies which, if you bother to look at (e.g. Abadie (2004) or Krueger and Laitin (2003), are clearly more subtle than you seem to believe things are. And while a direct correlation between the participation in violent acts/terrorism may be weaker than we first thought it was, only the feeble-minded will discard the link as a &#8216;myth&#8217;. Indirect links, through education, political freedom and host of other variables factor in.</p>
<p>That poverty is associated with terrorism is undeniable. It&#8217;s just a tad more complicated than you first thought &#8211; and way more important that you wish to deny.</p>
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