As to the first issue, anyone who (still?) believes in a two state solution should endorse the erection of borders as a first step in that direction. It is the second aspect that (as Bert pointed out) gives the impression that Israel is not interested in defining state -border, but rather in appropriating more land.
But what I find interesting is that opposition to the wall is often presented in existential terms: “wall always fall in the end” and so on. Here the extreme right and the extreme left are united – both oppose erecting a barrier because both believe the entire area should be ruled by one entity (though they disagree on the character of this rule of course)
The conflation of the existential argument: walls are always bad – with the moral one: this specific wall was constructed unjustly – does the greatest damage to the cause of the latter. Do Palestinians and Israelis have some kind of separation anxiety where they just cannot let go of each other? Can’t live with them, can’t live without?

This ‘proves’ the ‘point’ of the TA-bashers

I had a very good time in Tel Aviv yesterday. Just to make sure that I scored some Zionist points too ( as opposed to post-Zionist TA points ) I also hopped over to J’lem. Thank G’d I was able to go home to Haifa in the evening.

I’m sure Ehud would’ve moved the wall in order to allow a person in a wheelchair to pass. The locals (“pontzy little boulevardians” – why? Just because someone chooses to live in a certain neighbourhood and to walk on a certain street he deserves to be disparaged?) did not object – actually, they were the most supportive. Rather, it was the people who visit TA on the weekend who were put off.

If you’re curious, by the way, the “wall” he built is now on display in the plaza of the Tel Aviv Museum of Modern Art, on Shaul Hamelech Blvd.

Oh, and probably lots more נו באמת’s from the bontzy little folks in wheelchairs tried to move from point A to point B.

Heavens, what am I talking about? Musn’t let silly things like the rights of the handicapped to move around freely and independently hinder one’s artistic expression.

Spend a day wandering around a city with a person in a wheelchair. It opens your eyes greatly.

As for the wall–my vote–big wall on the Israel’s side of the green line. Not destroying any Palestinian lands and not blocking internal access, but also not allowing free access into Israel.

Not particularly PC, but that pesky little violent minority has a nasty habit of using openings as a way to sneak in bombs and bombers.

other than that.. conversation? i can we can hope so..

As Adina said, looked like he wanted to provoke a discussion, and he certainly did that.

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In many ways we already know each other too well. What is lacking is not mutual understanding but mutual respect and acceptance of mutual rights.

We, as Jews in the Jewish State have moved a long way towards accepting the national rights of the Palestinians, but they seem to be moving in the other direction.

What will happen if and when more Israelis learn Arabic is that we will then hear and understand exactly what is being said around us. It is not pleasant and I do not think that will improve the situation.

Notwithstanding the above, I am definitely in favour of expanding Arabic teaching here. My eldest daughter is fluent in Arabic and loves the language.