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Notes from the Underground: Iranians and Israelis connect online

The following article is my translation of a piece that was published last month on Nana, one of Israel’s biggest news and entertainment portals. The original in Hebrew is here.

UPDATE: In answer to the questions I received by email over the past few hours, the background to this article is as follows: Ido contacted me a few weeks ago, shortly after the item about the Netvision conference was published in the Iranian newspaper Khedmat. Since we have mutual friends, Ido knew about my connection with Iranian bloggers. After he’d interviewed me about the subject, Ido asked me if I could recommend a prominent Iranian blogger who would be a good source of information for his article. I recommended Arash, with whom I’ve been in contact for more than two years. I respect Arash for his honesty, his fairness and his intelligence. They both cc’d me on their correspondence, so I simply copied and pasted Arash’s original answers, as he wrote them to Ido in English, into my translation, rather than re-translating  from the Hebrew and editing them.

Finally, a bit of a mea culpa: I promised Ido and Arash that I’d translate the article nearly one month ago, but got bogged down in work obligations and didn’t have time until late last night.   Guys, thank you for your patience.

And now, the article…

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THE IRANIAN CONNECTION

Are the deepening connections between the Israeli and Iranian blogospheres the way to peace?

By Ido Hartogsohn / Nana

16 January 2008

On 25 December 2007, at the University of Tel Aviv, the Netvision Institute held its third conference on the struggle to maintain freedom of information on the Internet. The main topic was Iran: the attitude toward the Internet in Iran, Iranian hackers and also our Persian neighbour’s rapidly expanding blogosphere.

The conference did not go unnoticed in Iran. Five days later, on December 30, the Iranian news site Khedmat, which is considered close to former president Khatami, published an item under the headline, “Zionists Express Interest in the Subject of the Internet in Iran.”

“‘The Internet in Iran and its various facets’ was the subject of a conference that took place at Tel Aviv University in Occupied Palestine,” reported Khedmat. “The conference participants discussed the role of the Internet in contemporary society, and Internet struggles. Iranian blogs, rap music and the role of the Internet in creating other types of music that imitate Western culture were amongst the subjects that interested the Zionists.”

The article further reported that a committee of “Zionist experts” criticized Iran’s limited access to some internet sites.

Israel is a concept that does not exist

The Israeli media has been paying attention to the lively Iranian blogosphere for several years now. Amongst other things, the visit to Israel of Iranian blogger Hossein Derakhshan (Hebrew link) was mentioned in several international media outlets. From the perspective of the Israeli reader, Iranian bloggers are a comforting alternative source of information about another Iran – one that is friendlier and less aggressive to Israel. Over the years, articles about the Iranian blogosphere portrayed it as a different voice from a society that was usually shown in the Israeli media as closed and extremist.

Recently, the Iranian blogosphere has been the subject of academic studies in Israel. In the talk she gave at the Netvision conference, for example, Dr. Liora Handelman-Bavor said that, eight years after the launch of the first Persian language blog, “The [Iranian] regime’s attempts to suppress the blogosphere have largely failed.” Dr. Handelman-Bavor claimed that the Iranian blogosphere was intimately connected with alternative culture, the graffiti phenomenon and street art.

And now, based on the item in Khedmat, it seems that the Iranian media is aware of Israel’s interest in the Persian blogosphere.

But according to Arash Kamangir, an Iranian blogger who lives in Canada, few Iranian bloggers are aware of the interest they have aroused in Israel. “You probably know that the term ‘Israel’ does not exist in the official language of the regime of Iran. Even in my passport I am banned from traveling to ‘Occupied Palestine,’” he wrote in response to the questions I sent by email. “The average Iranian blogger is very anxious about being known as a person ‘who has connections with Israeli guys.’ A very interesting example happened a short while ago, and I believe it describes the whole situation.”

When Ahmadinejad moved to WordPress

As a means of illustrating the extent to which Iranian bloggers must be careful to avoid contact with Israelis, Kamangir offered an amusing-yet-sad anecdote about an incident that occurred last summer. This incident also shows how ordinary people who are citizens of enemy states find themselves making contact – albeit of a hesitant, groping kind.

“A friend of mine writes a blog about technology,” recounts Kamangir. “And a very helpful plugin for this system is called FireStats and is designed by an Israeli blogger. When my friend started using FireStats he was so fascinated by the functionalities that he wrote a post about it, in Persian of course. The next day he found out that he is getting hits from a Hebrew page. It turns out that the Israeli guys are also amazed that an Iranian person is using their code. So, they write a Hebrew post which reads, in English, ‘The formula to peace with Iran.’”

Omri, the Israeli blogger who discovered the post by Kamangir’s friend with the technology blog, wrote an amusing post that describes an imaginary conversation between Ahmadinejad and the leaders of Iran, in which the latter warn the president against attacking Israel because, “FireStats is developed in Givatayim, so if we destroy Gush Dan [Greater Tel Aviv] there won’t be any more versions!”

One of the Israeli readers surfed over to the Iranian’s blog and left a comment – in Hebrew. This apparently freaked the Iranian blogger out a bit. He deleted the comment and went over to the Israeli blog, where he left a comment asking for an explanation of what had been written about him. And that is how a discussion in awkward English was initiated between Iranian and Israeli bloggers. But a Utopian dialogue that unites “enemy” bloggers in an amusing exchange about politics and WordPress can be taken only so far.

“I wrote a piece titled ‘Iran-Israel Peace through a Wordpress Plugin,” recounts Arash. “Because of the sensitivity of the issue I sent an email to my friend asking for his permission before I would publish the post. The answer was very short: ‘Arash, you know this can be dangerous.’”"

So Iranian bloggers cannot write openly about Israeli bloggers?

“When Iranian bloggers have to censor themselves when it comes to sharing the mutual passion for scripts and other nerdy stuff with Israeli fellows, I guess showing any attention to ‘the Israeli interest in the Iranian blogosphere’ is out of context.”

So why are you not more cautious about entering into contact with Israeli bloggers?

“I live outside Iran, in Canada. There is a saying in Persian, “When you are drowning it does not matter if it’s one meter or 100 meters.”

Posts from the Underground

Estimates of the number of blogs in Iran range from 170,000 to 700,000. These are certainly impressive numbers, but Kamangir says that they are not an accurate reflection of Iranian society – particularly in the sense that the people who live in the less developed areas are unrepresented. “Most Iranian bloggers are middle class university students,” he writes. According to Kamangir, Iranian bloggers tend to be more liberal than the rest of the population.

On the other hand, Kamangir stresses the importance of differentiating between the opinions expressed by the Iranian regime and those of the ordinary people. “A friend of mine who came from Iran a few days ago was telling me that it is quite common to see Iranians criticize the regime, even using offensive words, in the public transit.”

“At the same time,” continues Kamangir, “A big portion of the Iranians have been exposed to the propaganda of the regime for decades and thus have unintentionally become ambassadors of the Islamic entity in many aspects…there is a big difference between an Iranian who is living inside Iran and the one who has had the experience of living in a free society, such as Canada.” According to Kamangir, when Iranian leave Iran they “start to question what they have been fed by the regime for a long time and start to think independently.”

“Blogs written by Iranian students abroad play a major role for these ‘new-born’ Iranians,” he writes. “Fortunately, this trend of free thinking is not limited to the Iranians who live outside the motherland. There is a huge number of blogs written by Iranians who live inside Iran and these blogs substantially question the official opinions of the regime. Interestingly, the questioning covers issues ranging from the official narration of Islam to human rights and sex.”

A different image of Israel

Although the circumstances are not yet ripe for an Iranian-Israeli blogger connection that could be a contra to the enmity of the Iranian and Israeli regimes, Kamangir writes that “…very strong links have been formed between the Iranian and the Israeli blogospheres. The strongest one, which I am aware of, is our communications with Lisa Goldman and her blog, On the Face. From time to time I translate her posts to Persian and the statistics of my blog, which I too get from FireStats, shows that a lot of my visitors follow her posts passionately. There are of course other Israeli bloggers whose blogs the Iranian bloggers follow, but Lisa has become almost an icon* for many Iranian bloggers I have talked to.”

“The Israeli blogosphere in English is a window into Israeli society for Iranians,” said Lisa Goldman in an interview for Nana10. “That is why I often translate items from Israeli blogs [in Hebrew], in order to expose a different view. Because the most interesting things written about Israel are written only in Hebrew.”

Goldman, a Canadian-born freelance journalist, spoke about some of the fascinating encounters created by the connection between the Iranian and Israeli blogospheres.

“I do receive emails from Iranians. It is as if they want us to know that they are not all as they are made to seem in the media, and I’ve had some fascinating encounters. There was someone in Tehran who used to chat with me via Messenger. He was a really intelligent, knowledgeable guy who knew excellent English. We used to chat about the situation in Iran, the elections, democracy and Israel, about which he was remarkably well informed. He even spoke a little Hebrew. But he refused to tell me his real name, and he was pretty paranoid. Each time he logged on, he was at a different computer and using a different online identity. I felt as though I were receiving messages from the Resistance. It was an amazing experience, but one day he disappeared and I haven’t heard from him since.”

How do Iranian bloggers find your blog?

“Look, I try to show a more human, complex and nuanced picture of Israeli life. They’re sort of stuck behind the Middle Eastern version of the Iron Curtain, but they’re very curious about us. They want to find out more, and it’s as if they’re extending their hands out through the Iron Curtain. The fact that I don’t write only about politics, but also about my day-to-day life in Tel Aviv, shows them a lively, modern, Levantine city that they would never see in the mainstream media.”

Fewer reasons to kill one another

So are blogs the way to create unmediated contact between Iranians and Israelis who, it sometimes seems, are led by politicians whose careers were built on a mutual agreement to issue bellicose threats against one another? When the media on one side serves the interests of the regime, and the media on the other side sells newspapers with lurid headlines about existential threats caused by Iranian nuclear warheads, perhaps the blogosphere could be an alternative source of information.

Eli Cohen, a senior research manager at Netvision, says, “The internet facilitates connections between individuals and bridges between cultures. Once you neutralize the political landmine it is possible, with the help of the internet, to create wonderful interpersonal relationships between human beings and to see that both your sorrows and your joys are very similar.”

Goldman, too, sees blogs as a tool for creating understanding between peoples. “We must find a way to get past the pre-conceived notions and one-dimensional portraits presented by the mainstream media,” she says. “They just perpetuate conflicts. I think that if you hear a human voice from the other side, that’s the beginning of the way.”

“I am not a sociologist. Neither am I a philosopher. However, I do know that when people talk they find less reasons to kill each other,” agrees Kamangir. “And this is what blogging is so generously providing us with.”

*I swear I did not encourage Arash to call me an icon.

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21 Comments so far (Add 1 more)

  1. Thank you Lisa. I know you are very busy and yet you spent couple of hours translating this piece.

    I will translate the piece to Persian right now.

    1. Kamangir
    on February 13th, 2008 at 4:12 am
  2. Fascinating subject. If you were writing a book about how blogs are changing the Middle East (and you should) this would make a key chapter.

    2. Peter Shea
    on February 13th, 2008 at 6:25 am
  3. Hi Lisa,
    here is a link to the blog post:
    http://firefang.net/blog/633

    One of the comments contains translation to English.

    6. Omry Yadan
    on February 13th, 2008 at 10:28 am
  4. it is mostly at the govt level.. these blogger’s wanna know more abt the enemy n it helps them get over all the propaganda force fed to BOTH of these subjects

    7. Muneeb
    on February 13th, 2008 at 11:41 am
  5. Arash :)
    The post was amazing dear. In Iran the consciousness of people toward Israel and people living there differs from person to person. As you mention we cannot learn about Israel via our media, we cannot even learn about the true nature of Israeli-Palestian relations and what is taking place in that region is some thing beyond what we are exposed to via our media.
    In reality, Israelis and Iranians can communicate with much understanding, this I have learnt through communicating with their youth. I remember talking to some young Israeli tourists ( outside Iran ofcourse), and as we ordered fro our breakfasts we developed a very hot discourse about the social norms of our countries and the legisation and laws, comparing and contrasting laws of divorce, university fees, their income, the way they deal with the problems of terrorism and the conflict, the role of religious bodies in their country and ours, I cannot say enough about how interesting the discussions were and how enlightening. I understand that Iranians and Israelis are being played with, as not being allowed to communicate, otherwise there is much they can share and benefit.
    Thank you Arash for the post dear, I would vote for you if you were to become a representative in the parliament :)

    8. Elinor
    on February 13th, 2008 at 12:11 pm
  6. Lisa,
    Thank you for this post dear. It provides us with hope, while we have many who stampede our hopes so easily, no mercy.. :)

    9. Elinor
    on February 13th, 2008 at 5:17 pm
  7. Elinor, you are most welcome. Thank you for your response, too.

    You are so right about all those people who stampede our hopes; but I’m glad that not everyone is surrendering to the gray of hopelessness.

    10. lisagoldman
    on February 13th, 2008 at 5:29 pm
  8. Elinor, you have always been a great support. Take care my friend. Chakerim. :)

    12. Kamangir
    on February 13th, 2008 at 6:42 pm
  9. Lisa,
    I feel that any where people connect and feel hopeful, there is the place Hashem is shining through, so Hashem could shine through weblogs as well :)
    I am not sure if you have heard about Noahides or BnaiNoah, the ones who believe in Torah and follow the 7 laws of noah mentioned in Bereshit. Some believe this is a religion, some other say it is a movement, whatever it is we believe in it and we call ourselves Noahides, and we search for enlightenment in the sayings of the sages and we do study Torah, as much as possible, as much as possible for enlightenment. It is amazing that Noahides have members in iran as well :)

    13. Elinor
    on February 13th, 2008 at 10:57 pm
  10. Arash,
    I never had a dadash, nor a sister, I call you our real and conceptaul dadash, you are well known in Iran, among people who surf the web, and you are very much admired, so I am not the only one dear, take care, ma bishtar :)

    14. Elinor
    on February 13th, 2008 at 10:59 pm
  11. Muneeb,
    Isn’t it amazing how we can find places to communicate and find where we agree? :)
    I wish one day this happen in our ME, we travel to one another’s countries and sit around and exchange views, help each other with growing and flourishing. Usually the ideas come first, the actions follow… :)

    15. Elinor
    on February 13th, 2008 at 11:01 pm
  12. Elinor,
    Your support definitely is an invaluable asset. I’ll do my best to deserve it. Thanks abji. :)

    16. Kamangir
    on February 14th, 2008 at 2:51 am
  13. This post and the accompanying comments are really moving and give us some room for hope. Thank you Lisa, for opening the door again.

    18. Fay
    on February 14th, 2008 at 6:11 am
  14. Fay we all deserve hope, thanks Lisa, thanks Araash, I long for a gathering in any of our Middle Eastern countries, all of us one place, talking, singing , dancing, reading, exchanging views, finding remedies for our very own wounds….

    19. elinor(Iran)
    on February 14th, 2008 at 1:58 pm
  15. I keep coming here and keep enjoying the comments. Thanks Lisa.

    20. Kamangir
    on February 14th, 2008 at 10:27 pm
  16. Wow.

    Can’t say much else but I’ll try:

    I’ve always thought about this idea, and I know it’s possible and that there’s a way to do it. Blogging and the Internet. Come on! It’s just making way too much sense. The sad part but undeniable part is that many Iranians in Iran will be too scared to do it…i.e. communicate with Israelis bc of the implications of what will happen to them if anyone finds out. It’s just sad but is there a way to avoid that fire?

    Could people have a website where they can go through proxies or something (I’m NOT a computer savvy blogger, just so u know) that way they can communicate but their stats are hidden??

    I don’t know…you smart people get working on this!!

    I know and also can agree with much of what was said; people in public curse what they perceive to be the IRI and the religion (not talking about the religion they practice at home which is much simpler and doesn’t require stoning their daughters). Young men and women are always after talking to foreigners. And I know that lots of people are good friends with Jews and also have Jewish backgrounds but converted to Islam in the last century…that’s cool.

    THANK u!

    21. Beja
    on February 15th, 2008 at 10:47 pm
  17. Arash,
    You need to come to Iran one day, just to raise some more Kamangirs :) I just imagine the day we could be free expressing ourselves and voicing our views which could be quite contrary to the doctrines voiced on behalf of our Nation…

    22. elinor(Iran)
    on February 17th, 2008 at 7:45 pm
  18. Beja :)
    It is right dear, we are indeed scared of being ourselves…
    But I recall this story of Hans Christian Anderson, the story of the naked king, the one who parraded wearing the invisible garments that two taylors made for the king, it was said only the ones who were not bastards could see it. People were scared of admitting the fact that the king was naked, he denied being naked altogether, so people would even cheer him, praising the glory of his garmets !
    A kid shouts : ” King is naked!!”
    so people go: ” Oh did you hear that nasty kid?” , ” How could he…”

    Any way a fact cannot be hidden for a long time, you cannot hide it in a closet, you cannot even hide it in your mind, it pops up, as persistantly as all these ads pop ups :)
    Now the fact that i am talking about is the need for the people of the world in general, and people of our region in particular, to communicate and exchange views , to find out how as human beings they respect and regard one another’s being.
    Iran has a very respectful Jewish community, a very Persian nationalist Jewish community, which through out the history of Iran has contributed much to the culture and civilization of Iran.
    The conditions back home has forced many people , many gems of the society to leave home and live out of the country, but they have the love and the image of the land that embraced them as they were delivered into this unknown world…. they keep that love with them wherever they are, this Arash Kamangir who is an Iranian blogger in this conceptual world of communication, he is one of the gems I am talking about and we have many others, many in Israel, in Canada, USA, many other countries whom we can call the true representatives of our nation, rather than the ones who make their way to the so called parliament as the representatives of our nation….
    Beja,
    We can be hopeful for the better days my dear, because it is already being better than yesterday, yesterday there wasn’t a way that you from the place you are communicate with me from where I am.
    Looking forward to sharing a better world, a world which could be the homeland to all of us, then we could be the civilans of the same ….Homeland.
    Conceptually this is happening at least :)
    Be well

    23. elinor(Iran)
    on February 17th, 2008 at 8:27 pm
  19. Amazing blog, I’ve felt somewhat enlighten after reading the comments. I’m an Israeli teenager, who wishes this blog and his goals all the best. Talking works all we need is the freedom for both sides to do it.

    About the privacy, I would definitely recommend to use “Tor” which is a great tool, well suited to the purpose of blogging anonymously.

    24. SHA1
    on February 20th, 2008 at 4:23 pm
  20. SHA1,
    It is wonderful to hear from an Israeli teenager :)
    SHa1, I loved this blog as well, and I feel so good communicating with you guys , thanks to Lisa from Israel and Arash Kamangir, an Iranian who provided us with the link to her blog :)
    SHa1 dear, I hope all the best for you, I hope very soon you witness the best things that could happen in Middle East and teenagers like you who are the real treasury of the Middle East benefit and create the better future we all deserve :)
    Thank you for your advice SHA1 ,
    Shalom :)

    25. SHA1
    on February 21st, 2008 at 12:17 am
  21. Oops :) that was me SHa1, I mistekenly typed your nickname instead of mine first.

    26. elinor(Iran)
    on February 21st, 2008 at 12:20 am

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